A very rambly Coleman Lantern follow-up. Turns out they rarely make sense in 2021 technology connextras

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Ugh. This one’s not excellent. But I hope you at least enjoy the bonus stuff.
Link to the video this is about:

00:00 Intro and Geiger Apology
01:20 Dual-fuel running on gasoline
02:44 Why cover the pump hole?
04:10 Fragile mantles
05:47 Ask me how I know (mishaps)
08:21 Kerosene lantern accessory
11:25 Shutting lanterns off
12:45 Lighting kerosene lantern in real-time (and discussion)
23:00 Propane vs. white gas
27:25 Context for next discussion
29:38 Batteries or gas mantles?
42:20 Emergency lighting

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Technology Connextras 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Unintended handlebar moustache.
Edit: Turns out someone knew the secret to this Geiger counter. It's not defective, the genius designers just decided that, for some reason, if you're on battery power you need to hold the power button down long after it wakes up or else it dies. Great design! Really excellent. I love inconsistency.

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MBW4449 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Do a bit with zippo hand warmers. So many people use a flame to start them when they are only supposed to use heat to warm the fuel. Please explain these warmers in a video. I would like to hear your explanation. The top part of the warmer is supposed to be a chemical / catalytic response. Correct?

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You Tube 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

You purposely look like Eddie Munster Jr, right?

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Jett Blast 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

I keep a Alddan mantel lamp for light and heat for extremely cold weather power outages. You can heat a small room and keep light for a while on a few gallons of Kerosene. I do have a couple of oil lamps just for an emergency. I have several LED flashlights all over for practical use so you have proved my philosophy very precisely with your breakdown thank you for breaking it down so well…

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Frank14612 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

What about the situation where you not only need light from a gasoline- or kerosene-powered lantern, but you need heat–both for space heating and cooking during a power outage?
And what's the difference between kerosene, gasoline, and paraffin? You didn't mention the latter.

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Jackkalpakian 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

The Kerosene mantle lanterns were a feature of Sudanese life during my childhood. They were very carefully handled by all. I had always wondered how they worked. There was a funeral that went through our street in Gadarif Sudan. For some reason, it was held at night, and people, including my father and I, did line the street. It was lit by portable Kerosene lights … they turned the electricity free night into day. Today, LED lights and attached solar batteries make these superfluous as you indicate, and I hope that they are replaced soon. The only remaining issue is dual use lanterns … some were modified to boil water and cook. Thank you for explaining this in detail.

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Keng 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Pro tip. I use and have used these styles for 40 years as a scout in my youth and also as a leader as an adult. With either gasoline or kerosene when lighting…crack the valve open then once ignited close the valve immediately. This greatly reduces the amount of liquids flowing through the generator into its hot enough to vaporize. Big flame and carbon under your lid is a thing of the past. When the mantles die down a bit, crack it again and do so until it burns without liquids get through. It takes about 30 seconds and about two to three brief openings until you can go full throttle with them. Also white gas, unleaded, or kerosene are way more efficient than propane. For six lanterns and two stoves for camping I’d use 10 or so bottles of propane for gas I’d use maybe a half a gallon for an entire weekend trip. Coleman says it’s 12:1. Gas is much more efficient. I fill everything up in the morning and I get about 12 hours of light and stove time from a full tank. Try running a generator on propane. For a 20lb tank you’ll run about two hours less for the same amount of gasoline.
I cannot run 12 hours on a battery lantern. The intensity of the light from an LED sucks. To get the same coverage you need the intensity of the sun which is hard to be around. The soft yellow glow and at the candle power The gas lanterns run is much more pleasing. Plus having the ability to charge in the woods is problematic, batteries are heavy and can be bad for the environment. Solar isn’t an option to charge 6 or 7 lanterns especially in inclement weather and or heavy canopy. Stoves can’t use batteries in the woods at least I haven’t seen any. Again they need charging. Very convenient using the same fuel for stoves and lanterns. Temperatures also wreak havoc on standard alkaline batteries. Propane gives up and performs poorly under about 30° F. Gas, alcohol, or butane/propane mix wins the day.

You also assume the poor areas that would depend on these for primary light would have access to funds to Amazon or Walmart. They need only find about less than a quart (liter) a day for light and can be sourced from anywhere. And by the way these lanterns and stoves produce heat. A very welcome by product in cooler or wet climates. Look at old Coleman stoves they sold a top that fit over a stove the is essentially an inverted can that glows as red hot stew and heats very well. Dangerous? Could be but let’s take off the bubble wrap and act like adults.

Car camping in the US a couple times a year or quick emergency lighting in the home for power outages…sure batteries could work for you. Long term….nope lots of people…nope. I’ve had 100+ people in the woods before lighting up a large area and running multiple stoves at one time.

Great videos but don’t talk in absolutes and leave it as your opinion unless you’re well versed in the subject. Anyone who’s had experience with any of the lanterns can tell you’re a novice. You’ve done well really but not that of years of experience but an education gleaned for the sake of the video.

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dachanist 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Propane makes the most sense for camping. You can use the 20lb "grill jugs" to refill the 1lb disposable tanks and use it for a bbq, a stove, a catalytic heater and I suppose at that point a lantern as well. There is a good case for propane and propane accessories. White gas has little place in a cabin or a tent, due to the volatility in what would otherwise be just a small fuckup. White gas would work for a bug out bag, where batteries might not suit that use case. Gasoline dual fuel Colman stoves were used in the military for this exact reason. White gas doesn't clog and burns cleaner thus the shift. Kerosene is often used to heat off grid cabins, at that point you might as well have a lantern – though its a cabin so you should probably also get a solar panel and a Jackery. Maybe you don't want to leave the solar panel out in your absence, people could break in and steal your $500 pure sine inverter/battery. I'm not sure about which is better… Okay Bye.

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Philo Pharynx 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Hey, you didn't look intensely into the camera while pumping!

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randolph torres 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Anyone ever tell you that you look like Eddie Munster

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David R 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Son, no one wants your crappy LED lights. The Colemans bring back memories of a simpler life, when things where built to last, and we were not controled by cell phones and emails. Its not about the fuel, or the cost, its the feeling you get

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Doc King 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

If the SHTF, canned fuel will run out. I can recharge my batteries with solar for a long time. Hard to cook with batteries though.

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CyberviewU 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Your cell phone flash light can last 10 hours on a charge. I charge all of my old phones when major storms are imminent. They also provide FM radio reception when used with ear buds for weather news. Turn off wifi and bluetooth to conserve energy. Let the kids use them when camping.

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kfholler 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Anyone know the product name for the battery powered RGB lights he introduces around 2/3rds in?

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DARREL FUHRMAN 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

For power outages I use a LP one. The propane one, you never have old gas, lights rapidly, does not smoke in the house when you start it, or shut it off. The one bad thing about the LP light is that it creates so much heat. Hello from north east Montana.
10 miles from the Canadian border.

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Bob Bowie 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

An exploding gas lantern almost killed then Lt. George S. Patton. But that was all the lighting technology they had in wwi.

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Steve Haflich 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

A note about comparing energy/weight ratios for fuels: The weight of a charged battery changes only immeasurably when it is discharged, and its weight must still be carried if not to be left as trash pollution. Burned fuel disappears (typically as CO2 and H2O, although the former is a pollutant) so the fuel weight being carried decreases as the trip progresses. Rocket scientists know this, which is why we have multi-stage rockets, and airline pilots are always concerned with fuel load. Very long flights may start cruising at 30,000 feet then rise for increased efficiency to the thinner air at 35,000 feet late in the flight, when the aircraft is less burdened lugging around full fuel tanks.

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George71964 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Very informative comparison…… but I love all 8 of my Coleman lanterns. I do have LED lights for camping but you can't beat the ambiance of the gas pressure lantern around the campsite. I also used a gas lantern to heat the water in my sunshower bag while camping in the winter when there wasn't enough sun to warm the water. The sunshower bag was suspended close above the lit lantern until the water was warm enough to shower.

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Christian Geiselmann 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Yes, in terms of practical usefulness, the kerosene or gasoline pressure lamps (Coleman and others) are outdated. Still they have their value and meaning in terms of the cultural aspect of technology: not unlike mechanical typewriters, they were mechanical devices for everyday use at the peak of technical development: they were perfect in their kind so that no further improvement was sought after. They were being produced and sold without substantial change for decades.

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Tony Shaw 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Just don't store a propane lantern attached to a bottle in case the valve leaks

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Dan Keith 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

I have an old table top Quick-Lite Coleman lamp which uses either white gas or kerosene and it still works good. Never tried it with kerosene.

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J Austin 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Coleman has a propane lantern now with one huge mantle. Works fantastic. Piezo startup and works great.

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seven7ns 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Netherlands: 95 octane gas */- 1,95Euro per litre….or 7.37Euro's /us.gallon. Totday 3 october 1 Euro =1,17 us. dollar. so 7.37 Euro =8.62 us. dollar. The 98 octane gas is +/- 2.08 Euro/litre.

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R P 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Why do they still exist? I had 2, thought they were quaint, donated them

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Weiss Zinfandel 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Me when. Me when the the doc;tor tells me I have only 46: 46 minutes left to live

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Chai Pom 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

It's about the charm of technology from the past that people pay for it.

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Hunter Makoy 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

I make sure I have a propane lantern in case of power outage and don’t have led (plus I have a amp stove) but I would never use the liquid ones, way too dangerous.

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J C 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

I don't think anyone is using lanterns for the light while anymore. I mean, headlamps and tiny flashlights with 40-hour batteries are just a few bucks. Lanterns are part of the nostalgia of camping. If you wanted it to "make sense" then you would end up just staying home where you already pay bills to be warm and bright…

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J C 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

The thumb valve is designed that way so that when you get to the end and its all pumped up, you can release your thumb and slide the valve all the way in. Otherwise if you got to the end and it was as pumped as you could push it, then you might end up with the erect rod sticking out the side of the lantern until the pressure dropped enough to push it in. That's it, just convenience. The hole has nothing to do with the actual pumping mechanism.

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George 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Hey Mx. T. Connections, I really appreciate these videos and their more conversational style. Sort of a fun parasocial 'peak behind the curtain' so to speak.

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simon4043 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

You are correct – you do not need to take your finger off the plunger to pump.
There is a U-section rubber cup on the plunger head which works as a one way valve allowing air to get past on the withdrawal, similar to a bicycle pump.

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Jeff Malfatti 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

I have to say that this is arguably the farthest I've ever seen a YouTube creator go down such a highly specific rabbit hole. Watching all these (which I have, I have no life) equates to about 4 college credits in Lantern Technology.

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crabtrap 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

1 NEVER USE CAR GASOLINE it has so many additives that it will clog gnerator quickly.
2. coleman lanterns give off usable heat aswell as light
3. coleman lanterns will last several lifetimes.
4. Coleman fuel and kerosene can store for severeal DECADES in sealed can.
if you properly learn to use them they are FAR SUPERIOR to any other light source interms of reliability and flexability

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Dan t. 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

I wish I wasn't that guy but I'm afraid I am that guy. It hasn't literally been five minutes since lighting the alcohol, it actually was five minutes. "Literally" has to imply that it wasn't a figure of speech but in reality actual. You know what? Unlike most of the folks that misuse "literally" literally way too much, therefore appearing to be morons. You seem way too smart to do such, yet, here we are..oh you did it again!

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Arzon Svix 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Overall the battery and LED is more efficient, no doubt about that, but like you said many times, some situations make using propane or white gas feasible. Power outages in the winter for example can be a prime example, and the reason I keep a couple lanterns like these. Shelf stable, long term and knocking out some BTUs all make lanterns a decent option. Cold can drain batteries quicker, and ate harder to gauge how "full" they are unless you have another tool.

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captaincrazyhat 24/11/2021 - 3:42 Chiều

Part of the appeal to using these is because they are so impractical. When you are out camping you sometimes want to just get back to nature and away from all of the electricity and noise of modern life or for some people they like to recapture a bygone way of life. Yes it might be easier to use the magic of modern electronics but to me it’s like if I wanted to do that It would be like driving my Chevy volt around but I enjoy driving my 79 El Camino even though it gets 10 mpg at best compared to the 80 I get in my volt. I find the old el Camino to be much more fun and enjoyable to drive compared to the volt. I still use the boring electric car to take my kids to school during the week but I get no enjoyment from it while I enjoy driving my old cars. It’s something of a unique experience that I can share with my young kids to show them how things used to be and still are for some people in the world. It’s the same argument as saying records are obsolete because of cds and mp3s but new records are still being made and sold just like new cassettes are being made and sold because they are now a novelty to the more developed world. People are not logical creatures they will not always make the logical choices they may and probably will find whatever they enjoy the best and stick with that thing even if logic tells them otherwise.

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